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Post by hovite on Jan 13, 2010 22:36:03 GMT
That page claims "Before 1917, members of the British Royal Family had no surname" which just isn't true. Richard, Duke of York, adopted the surname Plantagenet around 1448. King Henry VII of England was the son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond. King James I of England was the son of Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. The descendants of King George I did not bother with surnames, except for the children of the Duke of Sussex, who took the surname d'Este, from their remote ancestor, Azo, Marquis of Este. The surname of Prince Albert was probably Wettin (see The Complete Peerage, 2nd edition, volume 8, page 758). But there is a complication because in Germany titles are surnames (whereas in Britain surnames and title are different). So, for example, the legal surname used by members of the former imperial family is not Hohenzollern, but Prinz von Preussen (Prince of Prussia).
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Post by hovite on Dec 16, 2009 21:00:07 GMT
The story was made up by The Daily Mail.
It is completely untrue.
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Post by hovite on Nov 17, 2009 23:44:13 GMT
William IV of England (dunno what of Scots but it wasnt the IV) III of Scots, but the highest number wins, so he is IV. Everyone is related to the Queen.
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Post by hovite on Jul 18, 2009 22:45:05 GMT
(c) Germany abolished all royal and noble titles in 1919 (though they are used socially). German law only applies inside Germany, but in any case German titles are still used in Germany, and no one has ever been prosecuted for using one, so the law is not applied, and it is probably now in conflict with European law, which forbids the confiscation of assets for political reasons. Indeed, when Caroline sued some German magazines, the European Court of Human Rights reported “Princess Caroline von Hannover, was born in 1957 and is the eldest daughter of Prince Rainier III of Monaco”. www.echr.coe.int/eng/Press/2004/June/ChamberjudgmentVonHannover240604.htmMost German titles are not German at all, but were created within the Holy Roman Empire, which is now dissolved. Liechtenstein is acknowledged to be a successor state to the Holy Roman Empire and continues to recognize Imperial titles, which therefore remain valid internationally. www.chivalricorders.org/nobility/holyroman/ Austria is also said to have abolished titles, but Prince of Liechtenstein is itself an Austrian title, as Liechtenstein is a castle in Lower Austria. In 1608 the Lord of Liechtenstein was raised to rank of Prince of the Holy Roman Empire, and in 1722 the then Prince bought the Lordship of Vaduz, which is where the current Prince resides, but he also still owns two palaces in Vienna, the Palais Liechtenstein and the Stadtpalais Liechtenstein. www.tourmycountry.com/austria/stadtpalais-liechtenstein.htm
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Post by hovite on Jan 17, 2009 18:57:53 GMT
A hoard of 824 gold saters, minted by the Iceni, has been discovered. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7835228.stmAfter the death of King Prasutagos, the kingdom was annexed by Rome, which caused the famous revolt by his widow, Queen Boudicca, but little is known of the history of the kingdom prior to that point. The hoard of coins seems to date from about half a century earlier, so their inscriptions may provide new information about the kings who reigned in the area up to that time.
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Post by hovite on Dec 21, 2008 19:02:11 GMT
In the more famous case of King Edward VIII I must say that, in my opinion, it seems that Edward VIII was never really cut out for the job of king, putting duty and country first & all that. However, it would be hard to say it was absolutely necessary, at least in my mind from today's standpoint. After all, marrying a commoner is no longer frowned upon and even marrying a divorcee does not seem to be the taboo it once was and even that, I must say, I have found rather odd for the Church of England considering that it came to be because of a King's need for a divorce. There was more to it than that. The problem was that Mrs Simpson had another lover: "The identity of Mrs Simpson’s lover has now been definitely ascertained. He is Guy Marcus Trundle, now living at 18 Bruton Street. He is said to boast that every woman falls for him. He meets Mrs Simpson quite openly at informal social gatherings as a personal friend, but secret meetings are made by appointment when intimate relations take place.” www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article861396.ece
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Post by hovite on Nov 16, 2008 20:09:44 GMT
adopted children still can't inherit peerages That is quite right. An adopted child has no right of succession either to a peerage or the crown. an inability to produce a biological male heir has caused rather a lot of trouble in royal families over the centuries. Perhaps royal families should take a leaf from the book of the ancient Romans Although succession by adoption is not possible in Britain, it is recognized elsewhere. In both Monaco and Sweden it has occurred in the past, and it still happens in Germany. A recent, if rather complicated, example is provided by Bavaria. The head of the family is Prince Franz, Duke of Bavaria, but he has a younger brother Prince Max, who succeeded to the title Duke in Bavaria in 1965, because had been adopted by a distant cousin Ludwig Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria. But Prince and Duke Max has no sons, just daughters, so his ducal title will become extinct, unless he also adopts someone. Meanwhile, in Saxony, the head of the royal house, Maria Emanuel, Margrave of Meissen, has apparently adopted his sister's son, Alexander de Afif, as his heir. Succession by adoption was also historically important in India and China.
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Post by hovite on Aug 9, 2008 15:49:34 GMT
While I welcome this news, there is also another problem: ads offering titles for sale! These are not genuine.
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Post by hovite on Aug 3, 2008 19:13:06 GMT
I am doing some research for a film, and I was wondering, how does one go about writing to a royal? Get hold of an up to date copy of Almanch de Gotha. It gives their addresses. Specifically I would like to write to Franz, Duke of Bavaria, the current claimant/pretender of the Jacobite succession. He makes no such claim or pretence. "The Duke generally does not comment on this issue because he sees it as an entirely British question which does not concern him." nobilitynews.blogspot.com/2008/04/act-repeal-could-make-franz-herzog-von.htmlDoes anyone know how I can contact him or where I could look to obtain that information? You should probably write to his office: Freiherr Marcus von Berchtolsheim Verwaltung des Herzogs von Bayern Schloss Nymphenburg 11 80638 Munich Germany
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Post by hovite on Jul 13, 2008 13:17:08 GMT
The only male Tudor who left descendants was Henry VII ! But didn't all his ancestors also leave descendants?
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Post by hovite on Jul 6, 2008 22:45:48 GMT
Oh and the Bourbons are currently ruling the Spanish monarchy, right? And Luxemburg.
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Post by hovite on May 31, 2008 22:09:01 GMT
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Post by hovite on May 24, 2008 20:32:59 GMT
Scotland lost her independence Scotland didn't lose her independence. Rather, Scotland merged with England to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain. There were a number of reasons why this happened: 1. a permanent end to border wars (there had been an ugly incident as recently as 1704 when Scots had seized an English ship, the Worcester, and had executed three crew members), 2. to protect the Church of Scotland by accepting the protestant George of Hanover as heir, 3. free trade with England (abolishing English tariffs on imports from Scotland), and (most importantly) 4. a large cash payment of £398,085 and 10 shillings was made by England to Scotland to allow long overdue government salaries to be paid (and to liquidate the insolvent Company of Scotland, which had rashly attempted to establish a colony in Panama, and compensate its shareholders). Among those who got their back pay, Lord Banff received £11 and 2 shillings, Campbell of Cessnock got £50, and the Earl of Marchmont £1,000. Had it not been for the Union, they would probably still be waiting for their money. On 16 January 1707 the Scottish Parliament voted for the Act of Union and the Act of Security for the Church of Scotland by 110 to 67, a majority of 43 out of 177 votes cast. So there was a clear majority in Parliament for Unification. There were Catholic Jacobite riots in Glasgow, but these were suppressed by dragoons sent from Edinburgh. (There was also a minor rebellion by Presbyterian Cameronians in Dumfries, who imagined that the Union would result in the reintroduction of Episcopalianism.) The Irish Parliament then petitioned the Queen to be allowed to join the Union, but this request was denied. Ireland had to wait until 1801 before obtaining equality with Scotland.
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Post by hovite on May 5, 2008 8:15:01 GMT
Just read the Miss Kelly, the future Mrs. Peter Phillips has decided to convert to the Church of England. Do you think this was a move to stifle debate over the topic of abolition of the Act of Settlement clause barring Catholics from the throne. Changing the Act of Settlement would be difficult, it would probably take many years to get through Parliament, and the present government would be unlikely to go anywhere near it. They already have enough problems with their bungled reform of the House of Lords. It was probably easier for everyone if Autumn joined the Church of England. Also, do we think the queen will see fit to grant her eldest grandchild, and first grandchild to marry, a title befitting someone so close to the throne? May I suggest Comte du Montreal! That is unlikely to happen because Anne is reported to be strongly against titles for her children as they are not royal. Also, I believe that there is an Act of Parliament in Canada that prevents titles.
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Post by hovite on Apr 27, 2008 10:48:39 GMT
George is usually portrayed slaying a dragon, which is a purely fictional event, but George himself was a real person, an Arian Archbishop of Alexandria, martyred at the accession of the Pagan emperor Julian the Apostate. Edward Gibbon provided these details:
“George, from his parents or his education, surnamed the Cappadocian, was born at Epiphania in Cilicia, in a fuller's shop. From this obscure and servile origin he raised himself by the talents of a parasite; and the patrons whom he assiduously flattered procured for their worthless dependent a lucrative commission, or contract, to supply the army with bacon. His employment was mean; he rendered it infamous. He accumulated wealth by the basest arts of fraud and corruption; but his malversations were so notorious, that George was compelled to escape from the pursuits of justice. After this disgrace, in which he appears to have saved his fortune at the expense of his honour, he embraced, with real or affected zeal, the profession of Arianism. From the love, or the ostentation, of learning, he collected a valuable library of history, rhetoric, philosophy, and theology; and the choice of the prevailing faction promoted George of Cappadocia to the throne of Athanasius. The entrance of the new archbishop was that of a barbarian conqueror; and each moment of his reign was polluted by cruelty and avarice. The Catholics of Alexandria and Egypt were abandoned to a tyrant, qualified by nature and education to exercise the office of persecution; but he oppressed with an impartial hand the various inhabitants of his extensive diocese.
The primate of Egypt assumed the pomp and insolence of his lofty station; but he still betrayed the vices of his base and servile extraction. The merchants of Alexandria were impoverished by the unjust and almost universal monopoly, which he acquired, of nitre, salt, paper, funerals, etc.: and the spiritual father of a great people condescended to practice the vile and pernicious arts of an informer. The Alexandrians could never forget, nor forgive, the tax which he suggested on all the houses of the city, under an obsolete claim that the royal founder had conveyed to his successors, the Ptolemies and the Caesars, the perpetual property of the soil. The Pagans, who had been flattered with the hopes of freedom and toleration, excited his devout avarice, and the rich temples of Alexandria were either pillaged or insulted by the haughty prelate, who exclaimed in a loud and threatening tone, "How long will these sepulchres be permitted to stand?" Under the reign of Constantius he was expelled by the fury, or rather by the justice, of the people; and it was not without a violent struggle that the civil and military powers of the state could restore his authority, and gratify his revenge. The messenger who proclaimed at Alexandria the accession of Julian announced the downfall of the archbishop. George, with two of his obsequious ministers, count Diodorus, and Dracontius, master of the mint, were ignominiously dragged in chains to the public prison.
At the end of twenty-four days the prison was forced open by the rage of a superstitious multitude, impatient of the tedious forms of judicial proceedings. The enemies of gods and men expired under their cruel insults; the lifeless bodies of the archbishop and his associates were carried in triumph through the streets on the back of a camel; and the inactivity of the Athanasian party was esteemed a shining example of evangelical patience. The remains of these guilty wretches were thrown into the sea; and the popular leaders of the tumult declared their resolution to disappoint the devotion of the Christians, and to intercept the future honours of these martyrs, who had been punished, like their predecessors, by the enemies of their religion. The fears of the Pagans were just, and their precautions ineffectual. The meritorious death of the archbishop obliterated the memory of his life. The rival of Athanasius was dear and sacred to the Arians, and the seeming conversion of those sectaries introduced his worship into the bosom of the Catholic church. The odious stranger, disguising every circumstance of time and place, assumed the mask of a martyr, a saint, and a Christian hero; and the infamous George of Cappadocia has been transformed into the renowned St. George of England, the patron of arms, of chivalry, and of the garter.”
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