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Post by Aidan Work on Mar 26, 2010 11:17:28 GMT
How many of you are aware that the very last baronetcy (British hereditary knighthood) was conferred in 1990? Well,the recipient was Sir Denis Thatcher,1st. Baronet. His son,Sir Mark Thatcher,2nd. Baronet got himself in a spot of trouble a few years back. Have a read here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcher_Baronets . Aidan. |
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Post by observer on Apr 8, 2010 8:51:27 GMT
How many of you are aware that the very last baronetcy (British hereditary knighthood) was conferred in 1990? Well,the recipient was Sir Denis Thatcher,1st. Baronet. His son,Sir Mark Thatcher,2nd. Baronet got himself in a spot of trouble a few years back. Have a read here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcher_Baronets . Aidan. I believe that baronetcies are not hereditary knighthoods, strictly speaking, even though holders are called 'Sir." They rank above all knighthoods except the Garter and the Thistle, and holders are not dubbed as are regular knights. The only hereditary knights in the British Isles are Irish - The Knight of Glin (or the Black Knight), The Knight of Kerry (The Green Knight who is also a baronet), and the White Knight (currently dormant). |
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Post by Aidan Work on Apr 13, 2010 8:56:16 GMT
Observer, A baronetcy IS a hereditary knighthood,as it most certainly is not a peerage.Some baronetcies are inheritable by women,thanks to mistakes being made in the letters patent.In these cases,they are classed as hereditary damehoods as well as hereditary knighthoods. They are the British Isles equivilant of the hereditary knighthoods that were conferred in Austria-Hungary & some of the German states. The Kingdom of Hungary under Regent Miklos Horthy (1920-44) also conferred hereditary knighthoods as well.These hereditary knights have the title of Vitez,which is placed before the name. Have a read here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extant_baronetcies . The Irish hereditary knights are a special case.They have the title of 'Knight' placed where 'Sir' would normally go. Aidan. |
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Post by observer on Apr 13, 2010 9:12:38 GMT
Observer, A baronetcy IS a hereditary knighthood,as it most certainly is not a peerage.Some baronetcies are inheritable by women,thanks to mistakes being made in the letters patent.In these cases,they are classed as hereditary damehoods as well as hereditary knighthoods. They are the British Isles equivilant of the hereditary knighthoods that were conferred in Austria-Hungary & some of the German states. The Kingdom of Hungary under Regent Miklos Horthy (1920-44) also conferred hereditary knighthoods as well.These hereditary knights have the title of Vitez,which is placed before the name. Have a read here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extant_baronetcies . The Irish hereditary knights are a special case.They have the title of 'Knight' placed where 'Sir' would normally go. Aidan. Aidan, I suggest that you read the article at the following link - www.burkespeerage.com/articles/peerage/page66-baronet.aspx. It is from Burke's Peerage and states: "Baronets were originally given the right to be knighted, which would make no sense if they were merely, as is sometimes wrongly asserted, hereditary knights. They also once had the right to have their eldest sons knighted on the latter attaining their majority, a privilege which was bestowed by JAMES I in 1616 after candidates dried up following his ruling that baronets' precedence should be lower than that of barons' younger sons but which was rescinded by GEORGE IV in 1827." When women hold a baronetcy, they are termed a baronetess, not an hereditary damehood, although they are styled Dame XY, Btess. I do not believe that baronets are the equivalent of continental hereditary knighthoods, therefore, which were used in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Italy, The Netherlands, etc. |
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Post by Aidan Work on Apr 13, 2010 23:19:54 GMT
Observer,
The titles 'Ritter' & 'Vitez' are actually the Austrian,German,& Hungarian equivilants of baronets,as they are hereditary knighthoods as well.
The only holders of the title 'Ritter' that were not hereditary was the knights of the Military Order of Maximilian Joseph,which was awarded by the Kingdom of Bavaria.Only native Bavarians were allowed to assume the title,such as Ritter von Greim,for example.
Aidan.
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