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Post by observer on Mar 27, 2010 0:56:03 GMT
Aidan was incorrect in citing the Whitelaw (1983) and Stockton (1984) (and missed Viscount Tonypandy, 1983) peerages as the last hereditary peerages created in the UK. It is true that they were the last ones created for commoners but the hereditary Dukedom of York (1986) and the hereditary Earldom of Wessex (1999) were both created after 1984
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Post by hovite on Mar 27, 2010 9:56:56 GMT
It is worth pointing out that there is nothing new about life peerages. Previous creations include:
1362 Prince of Aquitaine
1377 Earl of Huntingdon
1385 Marquess of Dublin
1386 Duke of Ireland
1390 Earl of Rutland
1397 Duchess of Norfolk
1414 Duke of Bedford & Earl of Kendal
1414 Duke of Gloucester & Earl of Pembroke
1416 Duke of Exeter
1514 Earl of Surrey
1618 Countess of Buckingham
1641 Countess Rivers
1644 Duchess of Dudley
1660 Countess of Chesterfield
1660 Countess of Guildford
1673 Duchess of Portsmouth, Countess of Fareham, & Baroness of Petersfield
1674 Viscountess Bayning of Foxley
1674 Baroness Belasye of Osgodby
1679 Viscountess Corbet of Linchlade
1680 Countess of Sheppey
1686 Countess of Dorchester & Baroness of Darlington
1688 Countess of Stafford
1688 Baroness Shelburne
1716 Duchess of Munster, Marchioness & Countess of Dungannon, & Baroness of Dundalk
1719 Duchess of Kendal, Countess of Feversham, & Baroness of Glastonbury
1721 Countess of Leinster
1722 Countess of Darlington & Baroness of Brentford
1722 Countess of Walsingham & Baroness of Aldborough
1740 Countess & Baroness of Yarmouth
1758 Countess of Brandon
After 1758, no life peerages were awarded for almost a century, until 1855, when Queen Victoria created Baron Wensleydale. But the new peer was refused admission by the House of Lords. Acts of Parliament were required before life peers could sit in Parliament, namely the Appellate Jurisdiction Act (1876) and the Life Peerages Act (1958). The first lord created under the Life Peerages Act (1958) was Baron Fraser of Lonsdale, on 1 August 1958. Peers created under the Appellate Jurisdiction Act (1876) were called Law Lords, and the first of these to be made was Baron Blackburn, on 16 October 1876.
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Post by Aidan Work on Mar 28, 2010 10:14:13 GMT
Observer,
Peerages for members of the Royal Family don't count.
The Dukedom of York will revert to the Crown upon Prince Andrew's death.
As for the Earldom of Wessex,its status isn't known until if & when Prince Edward & Sophie have a son.
Aidan.
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Post by paulchen on Mar 28, 2010 16:27:58 GMT
Aidan, the Earl and Countess of Wessex have a son called James who is called by the curtesy title Viscount Severn. It is expected that HRH The Prince Edward will will be appointed Duke of Edinburgh in due course and James will be expected to inherit his father's titles.
It is true, though, that Royal Title are treated separately.
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Post by observer on Mar 29, 2010 1:39:44 GMT
Aidan, the Earl and Countess of Wessex have a son called James who is called by the curtesy title Viscount Severn. It is expected that HRH The Prince Edward will will be appointed Duke of Edinburgh in due course and James will be epxected to inherit his father's titles. It is true, though, that Royal Title are treated separately. York will revert to the Crown if, and only if, Andrew does not have a male heir when he dies - and he is now only 50 years of age. Edward will be "created" Duke of Edinburgh rather than "appointed," surely - dukes no longer lead armies into battle. Royal peerages were not treated separately in the legislation removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords, though, and no living member of the Royal family received a life peerage (excepting perhaps Lord Snowdon) to sit in the new Lords. Moreover, royal hereditary peerages become ordinary ones in the 3rd generation. |
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Post by Aidan Work on Apr 6, 2010 20:21:38 GMT
Observer,
Descendants of British royalty who hold hereditary peerages are still classed as being royalty.
There's a huge world of difference between being born a descendant of royalty & being born into a noble family.
I can guess that a similar thing applies in Japan,where although peerage titles have not been conferred since the 1940's,the descendants of those who were created peers are still classed as being nobility,such as the Tokugawa family,whose last ruling Shogun was created a Prince by the Emperor Meiji.
Aidan.
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Post by The (BLANK) of... on Apr 12, 2010 21:57:56 GMT
Actually, the very last person to be awarded a hereditary peerag outside the British Royal Family was Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st Bt. who was awarded the title in Feb 1991.
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Post by observer on Apr 13, 2010 8:59:26 GMT
Actually, the very last person to be awarded a hereditary peerag outside the British Royal Family was Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st Bt. who was awarded the title in Feb 1991. Actually. a baronetcy is NOT a peerage, although it is an heredity title as it does/did not allow the holder to enter the House of Lords |
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Post by observer on Apr 13, 2010 9:02:00 GMT
Observer, Descendants of British royalty who hold hereditary peerages are still classed as being royalty. There's a huge world of difference between being born a descendant of royalty & being born into a noble family. I can guess that a similar thing applies in Japan,where although peerage titles have not been conferred since the 1940's,the descendants of those who were created peers are still classed as being nobility,such as the Tokugawa family,whose last ruling Shogun was created a Prince by the Emperor Meiji. Aidan. The nobility in Japan was abolished in 1947 and Japanese are either members of the Imperial Family or commoners. Female member of the Imperial Family who marry outside the Family lose their status and become commoners who live ordinary lives without special privileges. |
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Post by Aidan Work on Apr 13, 2010 9:02:34 GMT
Actually, the very last person to be awarded a hereditary peerag outside the British Royal Family was Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st Bt. who was awarded the title in Feb 1991. A baronetcy IS NOT a peerage,even though it is a hereditary title.It is actually a hereditary knighthood. Sir Denis Thatcher was the very last non-royal person in the Dominions of the British monarchy to be awarded a hereditary title. Have a read here; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baronet . Aidan. |
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Post by The (BLANK) of... on Apr 15, 2010 7:48:39 GMT
hmm... excuse me, excuse me! So sorry for using the wrong word. Within my people, we don't use 'peerages,' rather titles. I thought it was British, and had to do with titles, so it sounded right. Please excuse my impotence in this isolated incident. Thanks for the scold though.  |
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Post by sandra on Apr 23, 2010 11:27:36 GMT
I am very new ,hello to all,I am hunting for a cousin whom ,has an inkling that her Grand Father was related to Prussian aristocracy,
His name was Fredric Marquordt ,he has plenty of history in the German records of German east Africa,he was a member of the Berlin Ethnological society,and my cousin Sylvia Marquordt (correct spelling) ,remembers her Father saying he was the last in the line of Barons.
I know this is not royalty but I am very stuck ,as I am helping Sylvia find anything about this Grand Father of hers as she is most unwell ,she remembers Livery buttons with a crest and servants wearing this same blazon" The family Crest etc was given by "King Richard," "The Lion Heart" for services in the Crusades. The title evidently was handed down from Father to the eldest Son and so forth down the line.
One last thing ! when the family had” von” in front of the Marquordt ,Sylvia remembers talk about a family
crest, it had 3 rampant Lions and the red cross on a white back ground, it was divided into 4 parts ( she thinks)
they had silvery cutlery with a crest on them, servants all had livery with the family crest on their buttons.
This is a big ask for all you royal watchers out there ,I am hoping this is not going to offend anyone,i.e.I know it is not a search site ,but I am hoping it will ring bells with someone.
Keen as..... to hear I do have photos but not sure how to post them this would help in credibility and interest,best wishes to all
Sandra
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Post by Cinderella on Apr 23, 2010 16:51:54 GMT
Sandra, it's OK to ask. I hope someone can help you.
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Post by sandra on Apr 24, 2010 14:03:31 GMT
Thank you ,
'Web Master"It would be fantastic if someone could recognise any familiar traits of this family line ,we have a Genealogist who has come up with some possible connections with the family history also I have three pictures of the family that could help in identifying ,or establishing their origins, if I could email them to you as I am not very good with IT in down loading pictures.
here is the latest from the Genealogist-----------------------------------
I am doing further on the "old" part of research and working on a family in France : the Barons de MARICOURT or MARCOURT ; this may well have been spelled in Germany as Marquordt as "court" is pronounced that way in German language. This would fit with the title of Barons and french background ; the family goes back indeed to the period of Richard the 1st, King of England and of part of France especially Normandy and Aquitaine ; several articles on the Marcourt Barons (the full name is Du Mesnil de Marcourt) mention one of them battling with King Richard the 1st, as being a Normand himself, against the King of France (the "proofs" kept in the Tower of London) ; which indeed would fit in what Sylvia mentioned as a family back to Richard 1st and receiving a blason from him ; the blason of the Marcourt is not the same as described by Sylvia, but as the Huguenot branch fled to escape persecutions, it may explain that they chose another blason at that time ; there is still a large gap between this and the l900 Berlin period ; as all records are very far from me, in Germany, Switzerland, and not in Alsace so far (or not found). --
Thank you all in...World of Royalty...Sandra
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