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Post by paulchen on Jan 5, 2014 14:02:50 GMT
Something Observer just mentioned reminded me of something I noticed a little while back in the family tree of the Norwegian Royal Family - the high instance of intermarriage/cousin marrying cousin. No wonder Harald stood his ground against his father King Olav V in marrying a commoner to bring new blood into the family and presumably didn't object to either of his children doing the same.
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Post by paulchen on Jan 4, 2014 13:13:46 GMT
I'm sorry Wind but not ALL monarchies have changed their laws of succession. Liechtenstein still has the house law of Agnatic primogeniture which basically means "men only". And I'm not aware of any Middle Eastern monarchies even having anything exactly written down other than that it is the will of the incumbent monarch who he is succeeded by.
As for abdication/giving up the succession to the throne, it isn't a matter of free will as in constitutional monarchies these things are governed by parliament and acts of parliament. As monarchs are not voted in as heads of state like presidents, so they cannot just vote themselves out. Of course, if the monarch is in a position to want to abdicate due to age or it has come to the stage of complete inevitability to the post, then I don't think parliament would object. However, having said that, what if the British Parliament had not voted to agree to set up the necessary act to allow King Edward VIII to abdicate...?
By the way, Wind, many thanks for making the forum lively again. People may not agree with everything you say, but youu have a right to express your opinion and it's good to discuss these things openly and honestly. That's what the forum is there for.
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Post by paulchen on Jan 1, 2014 18:02:20 GMT
Fair or not, someone has to make a decision and draw the line somewhere.
As far as I know there is no law, just an "understanding" which arose from the situation when the present Queen ascended the Throne. The Scots were vocal over the fact that the new monarch was being called Queen Elizabeth II as there had never before been a Queen Elizabeth in Scotland. To all intents and purposes the present Queen was their first Elizabeth.
Your reference to Kings called James is correct as it was then "agreed" to go for the higher number if there was any ambiguity.
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Post by paulchen on Dec 28, 2013 17:05:18 GMT
I would agree with you there, Cinderella, that Peter Phillips leads a private life except for something that surprised me at the time. Why did Autumn change from being Roman Catholic to Anglican? If he is such a private person and so low down in the Order of Succession what difference did it make if he lost his position for marrying a Roman Catholic?
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Post by paulchen on Oct 28, 2013 16:20:55 GMT
I know there are other versions for other Commonwealth Countries, but when do these laws come into force?
The UK version received Royal Assent on 25th April this year. Are we waiting for any other country in particular. Has the birth of a male hei in the form of HRH Prince George of Cambridge meant that everyone has lost interest, much as happened in Japan?
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Post by paulchen on Oct 22, 2013 11:10:46 GMT
I never knew that. Thanks for the information, Cinderella.
(And you are forgiven, Observer ;o) )
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Post by paulchen on Oct 21, 2013 10:49:58 GMT
Hi Observer. I did mention that fact in my original post. My point is that, to me, it is unusual to give a child a name more usual for the opposite sex. I am aware, as I say, that many Catholic Royal men (and maybe non-royal men, too) carry the name Marie after the Virgin Mary. But I've never seen a boy called Paola or Isabelle, or a girl called Gerhard before.
Seeing as Princess Astrid's children are relatively high profile, is this a Belgian custom, a further Roman Catholic custom (being Anglican, I am not sure) or is it simply peculiar? Were Belgians surprised when they were given these names?
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Post by paulchen on Oct 18, 2013 11:56:15 GMT
Looking through things royal I was amazed to notice that HI&RH Princess Astrid of Belgium's three eldest children each have a given name of the opposite sex (according to a well-known online encyclopaedia...).
Amadeo has (amongst others) Paola, Marie Laura has Gerhard and Joachim has Isabelle. All after their godparents.
I know that many Catholic Royal men (and maybe non-royal men, too) carry the name Marie after the Virgin Mary, but I never realised that other names were used.
Is this peculiar to Princess Astrid's children? Is this a Belgian custom? Or is this just plain peculiar? (Or, is the online encyclopaedia wrong?)
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Post by paulchen on Oct 16, 2013 8:16:35 GMT
Things are pretty quiet at the moment. I was leafing through some royal stuff on the internet and was looking at some discussions on whether Prince Harry will receive a dukedom and if so which one.
Mention was made that he might receive an earldom whilst HRH The Duke of York is alive in readiness to receive this traditional title for the second son/eldest brother of a British monarch as the present incumbent doesn't (currently) have an heir male to inherit the Dukedom, much as HRH The Prince Edward was created The Earl of Wessex in anticipation of being created The Duke of Edinburgh.
I don't think I've mentioned this before but has no one noticed that Prince Edward's full name is Edward Anthony Richard Louis? His initials are therefore... EARL.
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Post by paulchen on Sept 3, 2013 15:20:40 GMT
Quite a few members of the Lascelles family (the Earls of Harewood, descendants of HM King George V through his only daughter HRH The Princess Mary, Princess Royal) have been born out of wedlock and subsequently legitimised. They may have then received the title they would have had, had they originally been born in wedlock, but not the rank. Neither do they qualify for the succession to Harewood title nor the UK Throne.
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Post by paulchen on Aug 19, 2013 9:49:25 GMT
Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor [née Sophie Winkleman] were safely delivered of a baby girl on 15th August. This addition to the British Royal Family, though not royal herself, comes closely after the birth of HRH Prince George of Cambridge last month. The baby has been named Maud Elizabeth Daphne Marina and will be known as Miss Maud Windsor.
She has been added to the Line of Succession on the Royal Family's website after her father.
What surprises me is that Lord Nicholas Windsor's two sons are still listed AFTER Lady Helen Taylor and her children when [if their Father hadn't converted to Roman Catholicism] would have been in front of her...
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Post by paulchen on Aug 19, 2013 9:40:41 GMT
I do so agree Observer. It annoys me as well. But this happens all the time as I have read of people claiming to be the "descendants" of Anne Boleyn, Queen Mary II and Queen Anne! Collateral descendants or relations, maybe, but no descendants to this day and age.
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Post by paulchen on Aug 19, 2013 9:36:15 GMT
I came back from holiday yesterday to this terrible news. I cannot say I am surprised, although it is an awful shock. I guess it is a blessèd relief to the family that he is not suffering any more. The cynics might say that Prince Friso's condition added to his Mother's plans to abdicate so that she wouldn't be in office when he finally departed this life. he was buried in the grounds of the village church next to the Palace where he grew up and where Princess Beatrix will retire to. It is also telling that he passed away the day after his wife's 45th Birthday. may he now rest in peace, poor man.
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Post by paulchen on Jul 26, 2013 21:07:53 GMT
Sorry, I forgot to mention. I did this at work the other day and I cancelled the history at the end of the day... My fault, I'm afraid.
Thanks for thinking of that, though, Cinderella.
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Post by paulchen on Jul 26, 2013 18:11:32 GMT
I was recently wandering through the pages of a well-known online encyclopaedia which starts with the letter W concerning the Dutch Royal Family. I chanced upon an external link which took me to an excellent virtual book of the coats of arms of the Dutch Royal Family from the present way back to the start of heraldry.
Do you think I can find the link again? No, of course I can't!
Can anybody help?
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