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Post by The Chief of on Nov 30, 2009 18:38:26 GMT
Here's an interesting topic. Let's say, for hecks sake, that Charles, William, and Harry, all three predecease the Queen Elizabeth II, and that the succession laws were changed to equal primogeniture, and Anne is to succeed after Harry, making her the new heir after Charles, Will, and Harry die. Now, for this purely speculative scenario, lets say that Anne is now the heir apparent, would she become Princess of Wales? And also, would her children be given titles? Any help with this would be nice.  Also, do you think that in the future, Anne's children will be ennobled? |
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Post by observer on Nov 30, 2009 23:18:32 GMT
Here's an interesting topic. Let's say, for hecks sake, that Charles, William, and Harry, all three predecease the Queen Elizabeth II, and that the succession laws were changed to equal primogeniture, and Anne is to succeed after Harry, making her the new heir after Charles, Will, and Harry die. Now, for this purely speculative scenario, lets say that Anne is now the heir apparent, would she become Princess of Wales? And also, would her children be given titles? Any help with this would be nice. Also, do you think that in the future, Anne's children will be ennobled? The answer to your first question is probably "no, not as the law presently stands." The title is reserved for male heirs, and no previous heiress apparent, e.g., Victoria, was created Princess of Wales. The answer to the second question depends on whether or not the Sovereign issues new Letters Patent on the styles and titles of the children of heiresses apparent. The answer to the third one is "no," as Anne declined titles when she married Capt. Mark Phillips. |
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Post by HRISMH Duke Rico on Dec 2, 2009 15:26:55 GMT
I would assume that if the succession law was changed and the events happen in a way that makes Anne the heir apparent, then a new LP would have to be issued in regards to who exactly is entitled to the HRH. The Wales title is resereved for the heir apparent, unless it had been written into law a female was always Heiress PRESUMTIVE, (the only woman I know that was Heir apparent by law was Queen Anne, Princess George of Denmark) that is why Elizabeth didn't get it
In response to Observer; Victoria was never the heir apparent, she was the presumtive heir meaning that at anytime prior to his death, William IV could have had a child that would displace his niece as heir.
If the rules on who is entitled to the HRH extend to all grandchildren of the soveriegn, then Peter,Autum and Zara will automatically become HRH Prince/sses of the UK, regardless of Annes desires
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Post by The Chief of on Dec 2, 2009 18:09:42 GMT
Isn't i a little unfair that not all grandchildren of the sovereign are Prince/ss? Needless to say, they are all still grandchildren of the Quenn! I personally believe that a new letters patent should be drafted and signed into act, that would allow all grandchildren of the Queen to be a Prince/ss. for the ones through the female line, maybe they could be styled as: Her Royal Highness (-or- Her Highness), Zara, Princess Mountabatten-Windsor. I think they should be a Prince/ss Mountbatten-Windsor. Also, I think the Queen should reinstate the German titles that were so distastefully "done away with." After all, the Queen is still German, and is a member of the house of saxe-coburg and gotha. Within my people, the children of our king are Prince/ss, but hold no noble style, such as Highness. However, the female line grandchildren are styled as if they were the children of a British duke; Lord/Lady, but in language. I think it's only fair that the Queen of great britain stop the disrimination already! |
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Post by thequeenofcastile on Dec 3, 2009 8:30:05 GMT
Let's say that if the Succession Law were changed to become gender blind, I think it would be reasonable to assume that the rules regarding the title of Prince of Wales would also be changed to reflect the new succession laws. Assuming this, Anne would then become the new Princess of Wales.
It would also be reasonable to assume that her husband, Tim Lawerence, would be given a Dukedom and her children, Peter and Zara, would indeed become Prince and Princess. I would also think that Anne would renounce her title as Princess Royal and that would be bestowed on Zara, as Peter would become 2nd in line and would end up becoming the Prince of Wales in due time.
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Post by HRISMH Duke Rico on Dec 6, 2009 14:26:40 GMT
It would also be reasonable to assume that her husband, Tim Lawerence, would be given a Dukedom and her children, Peter and Zara, would indeed become Prince and Princess. I would also think that Anne would renounce her title as Princess Royal and that would be bestowed on Zara, as Peter would become 2nd in line and would end up becoming the Prince of Wales in due time. As it stands the Princess Royal title can only be given to the daughter of the monarch, so the rules for that title would also need to be changed as Zara could only get the title if Anne were the queen. |
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Post by observer on Dec 6, 2009 23:58:30 GMT
...... I would also think that Anne would renounce her title as Princess Royal and that would be bestowed on Zara.... The title of 'Princess Royal' is bestowed by Royal Warrant on the Sovereign's eldest daughter, and I do not believe that it can be renounced without the Sovereign's permission. I believe, however, that a Royal Warrant could be revoked, but it would be an unusual step in the circumstances in which the title is granted, i.e., to the Sovereign's eldest living daughter. |
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Post by observer on Dec 14, 2009 5:46:09 GMT
.......Also, I think the Queen should reinstate the German titles that were so distastefully "done away with." After all, the Queen is still German, and is a member of the house of saxe-coburg and gotha. ....) The Queen is a morganatic member of the Saxe-Coburg dynasty as her mother was not of "equal birth" - she was only the daughter of an earl and not royally born. German titles descend in the male line, moreover, so she has not right to reinstate them - or to pass them on. |
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Post by LordWilingram on Dec 14, 2009 19:05:44 GMT
The birth of Elizabeth heralded the demotion of Henry's first daughter Mary. King Henry demanded that she gave up her title of the Princess of Wales and was to be known as the Lady Mary - she was also declared illegitimate. When she was ordered to pay respect to the new baby she burst into tears and replied that she knew of no Princess of England but herself.
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Post by observer on Dec 14, 2009 23:04:17 GMT
The birth of Elizabeth heralded the demotion of Henry's first daughter Mary. King Henry demanded that she gave up her title of the Princess of Wales and was to be known as the Lady Mary - she was also declared illegitimate. When she was ordered to pay respect to the new baby she burst into tears and replied that she knew of no Princess of England but herself. Although Mary was styled ‘Marie Principisse Wallie’ (i.e., Mary Princess of Wales' ) during her youth (for example, in letters patent of 14 August 1525 granting Sir Giles Greville the chamberlainship of South Wales) and acted with vice-regal powers in Wales, this seems to have been incorrectly used. Although she was called by this title, she was never formally installed in this position, as neither was Elizabeth. Of course, the title Princess was not customarily used for royal ladies at this time, either. not coming into common usage until much later. |
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Post by Cinderella on Dec 14, 2009 23:41:17 GMT
Lord Wilingram, welcome to the new board! Nice to have you here!
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Post by mandysroyalty on Apr 23, 2010 13:02:46 GMT
I find the thought of Anne becoming queen quite fun! She's a real straight-talker, not very media-friendly, though. I think that no matter what, the Queen's shoes will be hard to fill. It's probably better to have a king next rather than another queen. The pressure would be immense for a female heir. I mean, can you imagine if the next monarch had been female after Victoria... wow! How can you follow that act?? As a man, Edward was able to carve his own niche apart from Victoria. Anyway, just my thoughts. This is a great topic, though - Anne as heir! Cheers, Mandy |
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Post by Cinderella on Apr 23, 2010 16:52:40 GMT
Mandy, welcome to the board!!
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Post by The (BLANK) of... on Apr 23, 2010 18:11:01 GMT
I agree that the Queen's shoes will be VERY hard to fill, but I also think that Charles MAY be the last King of England.  i DO NOT think that William will get a chance to become King. However, I think that MAYBE it might be restores such as happened with Spain, and his son may become King. Just a theory. |
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Post by mandysroyalty on Apr 29, 2010 13:43:40 GMT
Mandy, welcome to the board!! Thanks! Glad to be here! |
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Also, do you think that in the future, Anne's children will be ennobled?
i DO NOT think that William will get a chance to become King. However, I think that MAYBE it might be restores such as happened with Spain, and his son may become King. Just a theory.