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Post by wendy on Nov 16, 2010 12:56:12 GMT
At long last, they've announced the engagement of Prince William to Catherine (which, I understand, is how she prefers to be called).
It'll be a spring or summer wedding next year and the announcement simply said that William told the Queen and close family members, vs. asking the Queen's permission. But I'm sure he's sought her counsel in the run-up.
Anyway, here's my question: do you have any idea of how Catherine will be titled once she's married? I'm not super-swift on titles. I do remember Prince Andrew being given the title Duke of York on the eve of his wedding so that Sarah would be a duchess rather than Princess Andrew.
Are there any hints concerning a 'wedding gift' title for William? I certainly don't think Catherine would enjoy being called "HRH Princess William of Wales".
Any other insights on this union, engagement or the wedding? (I'm torn as to whether they'll choose St. George's Chapel or Westminster Abbey).
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Post by alexienichole90 on Nov 16, 2010 13:33:05 GMT
I'm kinda curious about something else. As late as a few days ago, his father's spokeman told the tabloids that there was no engagement but yet they've been engaged since some time last month
Why not just admit to it and instead tell the tabloids and news people something that apparently wasnt the truth?
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Post by wendy on Nov 16, 2010 13:57:24 GMT
The royals time announcements to suit the royal, national, world and political calendars. (i.e. they won't announce something just before a big event or during a crisis). It's logical to control when and how they make such a big announcement so they couldn't say informally that, 'yes they really are engaged and we're just timing the formal statement'. It just wouldn't work!
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Post by paulchen on Nov 16, 2010 14:19:02 GMT
First of all, let's register our congratualtions to the happy couple! HRH Prince William has always struck me as a sensible guy, having to look after his late Mother in the dark days of divorce. I'm sure that the timing of the announcement is right for them.
As for a title, I heard on the BBC that the Dukedom of Cambridge is being banded about. I tend to think so too. Catherine Middleton would therefore become HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.
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Post by The (BLANK) of... on Nov 16, 2010 19:18:25 GMT
I would love William to be made the Duke of Windsor. I think it would be a an honor, given that it was held by the former King. TRH The Duke and Duchess of Windsor has a nice ring to it... then again, so does TRH The Duke and Duchess of Exeter.  However, TRH The Duke and Duchess of Buckingham sounds nice. Cambridge... I don't know. Possibly... but personally, I like Windsor, Buckingham, or Exeter. |
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Post by HRISMH Duke Rico on Nov 16, 2010 20:27:11 GMT
I don't think The Queen would give him Windsor, since it was given to a former king rather than a future king. Clarence and/or Avondale could be good ones to use since they were last used by the eldest son of a Prince of Wales and reverted to the crown (unlike York where the previous 2 creations had merged with it)
I think that it might be acceptable to call her Princess Catherine though, if Williiam isn't given a peerage, I know its not customary for a consort to use her own name while a princess by marriage but it had been the accepted non formal style we knew Diana by.
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Post by The (BLANK) of... on Nov 16, 2010 23:15:02 GMT
I think Clarence is a good contender, as well as Avondale.
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Post by alexienichole90 on Nov 17, 2010 4:01:56 GMT
I keep hearing on our US channels and reading online as well, that she's going to a Queen
Is that even possible? William could be King, but he does become King does that automatically make her a Queen. After all, Queen Elizabeth's husband isnt a King, he's known as a Prince (different circumstances I know)
Plus is there any monarch rule about needing to be of certain blood lines in order to hold any specific titles in this case.
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Post by wendy on Nov 17, 2010 6:48:16 GMT
alexienichole90:
The spouse of a king is, indeed, called a queen and is known as 'queen consort'. Queen Elizabeth II is queen by birth, not marriage. She's the eldest of two daughters born to the man who became King George VI. Queen Elizabeth II's consort is Prince Phillip.
It doesn't seem equitable that the consort to a king should be called a queen but the consort to a reigning queen is 'only' a prince...but there you have it. That's how it works!
To answer your question about William becoming king one day: He is second in line to the throne. His grandmother, the Queen, has four children: Charles, Anne, Andrew & Edward. Charles (William's father) is her heir and he will be king when she passes away. Charles is father to two sons: William and Harry. William is the eldest and, thus, he will become king when his father passes away. William's wife, Catherine (she's been nicknamed "Kate" in the press but she prefers to be called Catherine) will be his queen consort. Their eldest son will eventually become king one day and so on.
The order of succession is continually understood in any royal family and, barring any untimely deaths or other unforeseeable situations, that order will play out in time.
Your final question concerns if there are any "rules"/"any certain blood line to hold specific titles in this case". I hope the following answers the spirit of your question:
The big 'rule' for establishing qualifications for becoming Britain's monarch was set down as law just over 300 years ago. It's a very long and detailed story (isn't that always the case?) but, in the interest of time, I'll simply state that people who qualify to reign must be:
* 18 years of age
* a Protestant descendant of a certain Sophia (who was a granddaughter of James VI of Scotland (he was James I of England)).
* they cannot be married to a Catholic
It's very difficult for our modern thinking to grasp how it must have been in that day for this type of law to be neccessary but it was the product of a terrible century of upheaval, civil war and unrest. That law still remains today and it has affected a few people in modern times. The monarch has been the head of the Church of England since Henry VII. An individual must lose their place in the order of succession if they convert to Catholocism or marry a Catholic.
Lastly, there are no blood rules/laws concerning who can marry into the Royal Family. Royals married other royals for hundreds of years but things have changed. There are very few Protestant royal families nowadays. Many British royals of the latter 20th century chose spouses from the aristocracy. Catherine Middleton's family are very well off but they are technically termed middle class. I think it's excellent that William has chosen his spouse based on interests, compatibility and love rather than an hereditary title!
This has been long. I hope it's helped.
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Post by wendy on Nov 20, 2010 15:19:38 GMT
This short article (see link below) seems to be a bit of lobbying for William and Catherine to become the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. I find it interesting that this title was overlooked at the time of Prince Edward's wedding. He, being lower in the order of succession, was made an Earl. Perhaps the Queen was saving the title of Duke of Clarence for William. www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Way-is-clear-for-William-to-be-Duke-of-Cambridge.htm |
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Post by wendy on Nov 20, 2010 15:42:02 GMT
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Post by dukeofearl on Nov 20, 2010 19:29:01 GMT
This short article (see link below) seems to be a bit of lobbying for William and Catherine to become the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. I find it interesting that this title was overlooked at the time of Prince Edward's wedding. He, being lower in the order of succession, was made an Earl. Perhaps the Queen was saving the title of Duke of Clarence for William.
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Way-is-clear-for-William-to-be-Duke-of-Cambridge.htm i always find it wierd that people say he's just an earl..the earldom of wessex is an ancient sovereign title..and besides he still outranks the duke of kent for example. in france, the grandsons of louis xv were count (earl) of provence and of artois..didnt matter, they outranked all other dukes and even the royal duke of orleans (though he eventually seized power) |
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Post by wendy on Nov 21, 2010 11:06:41 GMT
Perhaps I am mistaken concerning the Earl/Duke issue! I was not belittling the rank of Earl but merely pointing out that Prince Edward is, indeed, lower in the order of succession and those higher up the line - such as Prince William who will most likely be king one day - are usually given higher ranking titles.
dukeofearl: I agree with you...an earldom is nothing to sneeze at!
I have absorbed that a Royal Duke is ranked higher than a Royal Earl but I'm more than willing to stand corrected if I've processed the facts inaccurately!
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Post by paulchen on Nov 21, 2010 12:38:59 GMT
It has been made widely known that the Dukedom of Edinburgh is being saved for HRH The Prince Edward, hence his "interim" title of Earl of Wessex. He is heavily involved in the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme and his badge is a Tudor rose [from the label on his coat-of-arms] with thistle heads alluding to Edinburgh.
It has already been pointed out that this can only happen once the present Duke of Edinburgh passes away. The timing also depends on the agreement of the Prince of Wales [the de facto heir to the Dukedom] amd whether the Duke passes away first or HM The Queen [the de facto Duchess of Edinburgh. For instance if Her Majesty were to abdicate/retire she would revert to being HRH The Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh].
For William and Kate, my money is still on the Dukedom of Edinburgh, but we will have to wait until the wedding day when The Queen traditionally makes the announcement.
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Post by Ibelieveinfairytales on Nov 21, 2010 18:47:03 GMT
For William and Kate, my money is still on the Dukedom of Edinburgh, but we will have to wait until the wedding day when The Queen traditionally makes the announcement. No, it's already been announced that the Earl of Wessex will get the Duke of Edinburgh title: www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/TheEarlofWessex/Stylesandtitles.aspxI thought I read somewhere that this was done with the agreement of the Queen and Prince Charles. When Prince Philip dies and Charles becomes king, wouldn't the title revert back to the crown otherwise? |
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However, TRH The Duke and Duchess of Buckingham sounds nice. Cambridge... I don't know. Possibly... but personally, I like Windsor, Buckingham, or Exeter.
