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Post by kingapolloxxxii on Dec 14, 2014 5:04:54 GMT
It's great to see the arrival of royal twins; I know that the title of Marquis of Baux is the traditional title for the heir to Monaco's throne but to my knowledge its the first time a daughter has received a title; just curious if this is a life time title or a hereditary title?
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Post by observer on Dec 15, 2014 7:20:40 GMT
It's great to see the arrival of royal twins; I know that the title of Marquis of Baux is the traditional title for the heir to Monaco's throne but to my knowledge its the first time a daughter has received a title; just curious if this is a life time title or a hereditary title? Sovereign Prince Louis II gave his legitimated daughter Charlotte the title Duchess of Valentinois for life in 1918, before she became Hereditary Princess in 1922 - that title having been introduced in 1882. Rainier created his sister Princess Antoinette Baroness de Massy, also apparently for life as her children do not seem entitled to it. Previous sovereign princes/princesses accorded their daughters the style of 'Mademoiselle de...' in the style of the French monarchy, e.g., the daughters of Louis I, Antony I, Louise Hippolyte, etc, |
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Post by observer on Dec 17, 2014 22:16:49 GMT
The official announcement simply states: Son Altesse Sérénissime la Princesse Gabriella, Thérèse, Marie, Notre fille Bien-Aimée, portera, selon l’usage historique, le titre de Comtesse de Carladès. cloud.gouv.mc/Dataweb/jourmon.nsf/9bf97b0da6308cfdc12568c40037f873/a7184a7145669980c1257dac00298c84!OpenDocument A similar wording is used in the announcement concerning the title of Marquis de Baux. "Portera, selon l’usage historique" seems to refer to the use of this title in the past as one for younger sons of the reigning prince. The announcement itself says nothing about descendants as the wording seems to imply that the title is ad personam, or for the life of the child only. This would be similar to the use of the title of Baroness de Massy I noted earlier. Louis I Honoré, Sovereign Prince of Monaco from 1662 to 1701, was styled Count of Carladès from 1642–59, and Duke of Valentinois from 1659 to 1662. He succeeded his grandfather, Honoré II, who was Lord of Monaco from 1604–1612, and Prince and Lord of Monaco 1612–1662. This ruler simply assumed the title of Prince and Lord of Monaco in 1612, but he received a number of titles from King Louis XIII of France, being created Duke of Valentinois and Marquis des Baux on 22 May 1642 and Count of Carladès in January 1643. The usage of these titles for the first and second in the line of succession seems to be a renewal of much earlier usage that was not possible in more modern times until the changes in the succession laws in 2002, which probably explains why neither Princess Antoinette nor Princess Caroline received the tile of Countess of Carladès. I believe that all these titles are extinct as French titles as they could not be transmitted through the female line. The husband of Princess Louise Hippolyte received the Valentinois title by cession from Louis XIV, however, but not those of Baux and Carladès. As Prince Rainier succeeded through his legitimated mother, all claims to Baux and Carladès would have died with his grandfather. Although her grandfather styled Charlotte Duchess of Valentinois, the basis for doing so is not clear, and it might be assumed that this, too, was simply "according to historical usage." |
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