Titles

[Lyrick]

I was just wondering why King Constantine II of Greece, doesn't use his Princely title of Denmark, is it not a legitimate title he can use?

[dukeofearl]

actually, i've always wondered why they used it in the first place. all it did was to remind people that they weren't greek, far from it (the Norwegian Royals dont use it). i think he stopped using it because the greeks were using that connection against him..besides, i've always thought that if the "crown prince" had married a greek woman the monarchy would have been restored by now

[HRISMH Duke Rico]

Prince of Denmark is one of his legitemate titles, however King trumps prince and any king who abdicates or is deposed in favour of a republic generally gets to remain king in title and style (but not always in their own country {ie German kings}).

When he was a prince his title was 'of Greece and Denmark' when he acceded to the throne his title became King of the Hellenes, but still remained a prince of Denmark and it is included in his full list of titles. The thing that the government of Greece holds against him is that he wants to uses King of The Hellenes as a defacto surname since the Gluksburgs don't have a surname in the manner that royal families such as the House of Windsor does

[dukeofearl]

well im with the greek gov on this..a sorry king and no greek blood..and windsor is a place just like glucksburg so he could use that..but the greek gov use his spanish 'deGreza' as his last name

[Ibelieveinfairytales]

What happens to the titles of Crown Prince Pavlos and Princess Marie Chantal when King Constantine dies?

[HRISMH Duke Rico]

Sept 17, 2008 15:55:47 GMT Ibelieveinfairytales said:

What happens to the titles of Crown Prince Pavlos and Princess Marie Chantal when King Constantine dies?

They legally remain Crown Prince and Crown Princess respectively. He becomes the head of the Royal family of Greece as the pretender to the throne. In theory Pavlos should be able to amend house rules and grant or revoke titles as though he were a reigning monarch. Any changes he makes would most likely have to be done in accordance with any Greek laws prior to King Constantine being deposed.

[Ibelieveinfairytales]

Would the titles eventually die out? Say with Pavlos' children? After that generation there would be no royal titles for the great-grandchildren. Like the British have it set up - only children and grandchildren in the male line have titles. Or could this go on indefinately?

How do titles work in deposed royal families? Italian? Russian? Romanian?

[dukeofearl]

actually their descendants will use these titles forever..personnally i think royalty is a pact between the people (nation) and a particular bloodline..once that pact is broken (for whatever reason) they're no longer royalty..like Napoleon said, the Bonapartes not the bourbons were the house of France in 1810..of course later the bourbons became the royals of france again..besides, they need these trinkets..how else they going to attract rich in laws?

[vittoria]

The use of titles by people connected with monarchies that have been abolished has always seemed to me to be rather tacky -- even slightly vulgar. How, for example, can you call yourself a "crown prince" when there is no crown to inherit? Strictly speaking, Pavlos of Greece is not a crown prince, his wife is not a princess, and his children have no titles at all. One could argue that ex-King Constantine and his wife are still a prince and a princess of Denmark, since Denmark still has a monarchy; but it's worth noting that, in Denmark, as elsewhere, the further you get from the throne, the more the titles diminish.

However, European custom is that even defunct titles may be used, though they have no actual meaning, legal or otherwise. Americans are also dazzled by titles that have lost meaning long ago. Some of the holders of these so-called "titles" are merely amused by them. When I lived in Italy, I met a so-called marchese and a so-called prince. They did not use these old and meaningless titles and snorted at them. In fact, when I met the "prince," he was heading off to buy new latrines for the campground he'd created on his estate and was too harrassed to deal with courtesies and honorifics. "Just call me Mario," he said.

[Alex von Alexandrovich]

Vittoria, while I agree that once a monarchy is gone from the country, there is technically no crown to inherit, yet at the same time I have to disagree, for Titles are a type of inheritance and family heirloom. They create a sense of pride amongst its holders. You are wrong in the instance that "Pavlos of Greece is not a crown prince, his wife is not a princess, and his children have no titles at all." Prince Pavlos, his wife, and their children all have titles! Pavlos is TITULAR Crown Prince of Greece, given that his father WAS the King of Greece, and continues to be the TITULAR King as we speak. Is there something wrong with honoring who you are and where you come from?

Ok, even if we were to oddly state that Pavlos holds no title of Greece (which is completely obsurd, but let’s go with it); he and his descendants will ALWAYS hold the title of Prince or Princess of Denmark as long as the country is still a monarchy. How can you say that they are not Princes and Princesses of Denmark, when that is their title by law? I know many royals and nobles, and they would be offended at your statements.

[urcute08]

I agree with HRISMH Duke Rico. And besides who wants to use a prince title when u could us a king title!

(I think he prefers it as king)

[dukeofearl]

hmm..so franz of bavaria should rightly call himself king of great britain? its his title by descent after all...of course while he may have a better blood claim, the crown is a pact between the people (parliament) and a particular family..even the so call romanovs arent russian dynast anymore..when michael romanov ascended their were dozens of rurikids (and still are) but michael was elected and a new dynasrty began..nicholas, wateva the russian church may do, was an idiot that lost the trust and loyalty of the people..the holsteins (or rather saltykovs lol) can no longer be considered prince of russia

[HRISMH Duke Rico]

Nov 11, 2008 23:41:56 GMT dukeofearl said:

hmm..so franz of bavaria should rightly call himself king of great britain? its his title by descent after all...of course while he may have a better blood claim, the crown is a pact between the people (parliament) and a particular family..even the so call romanovs arent russian dynast anymore..when michael romanov ascended their were dozens of rurikids (and still are) but michael was elected and a new dynasrty began..nicholas, wateva the russian church may do, was an idiot that lost the trust and loyalty of the people..the holsteins (or rather saltykovs lol) can no longer be considered prince of russia

Franz of Bavaria can't claim to be titular king of Great Britian, that crown was created by the political union of the crowns, and occured after the Glorious Revolution. The Jacobite claim is not to the political crown but the two precessesor crowns that were held in personal union.

[donald1941]

Whatever the merit of Constantine's title, Queen Anne Marie has the right to the title of Princess of Denmark. She is the daughter of the late King Frederick and Queen Ingrid, and sister of Queen Margarethe II, therefore a princess by right of blood in her own right.

[briar69rose]

hes got a campground on his estate I t hink thats pretty interesting